I do like your suggestion. I, too, am no lawyer or legal scholar. But, if I understand how this system works, after the election In November, the newly elected House of Representatives and Senate take their seats, and are sworn in the first part of January. Then, on January 6th the presidential election is to be certified by the House, with the Vice President presiding over this procedure.
IF we the people elect a democratic House of Representatives and keep the Senate majority Democratic, then there shouldn’t be any issue if these states, like Georgia, decide not to certify their election results.
I do have another concern, question, fear. I know if the states refuse to certify the election results for their specific state. At some point the ejection is decided by the Supreme Court . I’m not sure at what step SCOTUS becomes involved in thus fiasco Trump is trying to cause.
from what I understand, the actual number of representatives isn't how the votes of the House would be counted, or something. I'm not sure I understand it.
But from what I can gather, it has to do with the number of districts each party holds. Somehow, because Democratic districts tend to be large, urban districts, while republican ones are often smaller (in population, not size) there are more of them. So, even with a majority under normal circumstances, under a vote for which party wins the presidency, it could still go to republicans, even if the democrats have a majority
Hi. Contrary to the corporate media's fear mongering, we're not a banana republic. Even if Jan 6 had been successful, it would have been the shortest coup in human history. Yes, our president is commander of the military, but that's second to the military's oath to defend and protect the Constitution.
Since Trump is no longer president, he's no longer "the commander". The military is no longer his to use.
The Supreme Court has limits as to what it can do. And the House has limits, too. Then there's that's pesky thing called the Senate.
It's 5:30 in the morning, and I haven't had coffee yet. Plus explaining the complexities of the Constitution would take me until noon. I'm not a Constitutional scholar, either, but I can assure you you're fears - while logical - are without merit. Our beloved and highly intelligent founders made sure we have three separate and equally powerful parts of our government.
I'm not sure all of that applies. If Georgia (for one example) does not certify their slate of electors by the deadline of January 6th (as they tried to do in 2020 with the "insurrection") then it would be impossible to certify the slates on time. (That's why Trump wanted Pence to refuse to certify, not so he would receive more votes, but just to delay the certification past the deadline)
If the slates are not certified by the deadline, then by law (and the Constitution) the election is thrown to the House of Reps. Since the House will likely still be in Republican hands, they would surely say Trump won, regardless of the votes. And that would be entirely legal. It's actually what the Constitution specifies. All it takes is one state to not certify their electors in time.
this is great, except it still isn't addressing the problem of electors not getting certified by the deadline.
If that happens, it gets sent to the House of Reps. Period. There's no other "legal" recourse.
If local or state reps refuse to certify and courts have to step in, that delays the certification. Delay it enough and the electors can't be certified by January 6th, and it goes to the House.
Your words have given me comfort… time will tell but surely the solution is to have such an overwhelming majority of blue votes that the win cannot be denied by anyone
I think Biden should arrest any Supreme Court Justices hanging around for this and any Congress People who try this along with any fake electors. Round them up. Use the Military to stop this Coup. They swore to defend the Constitution from enemies both external and internal.
I do like your suggestion. I, too, am no lawyer or legal scholar. But, if I understand how this system works, after the election In November, the newly elected House of Representatives and Senate take their seats, and are sworn in the first part of January. Then, on January 6th the presidential election is to be certified by the House, with the Vice President presiding over this procedure.
IF we the people elect a democratic House of Representatives and keep the Senate majority Democratic, then there shouldn’t be any issue if these states, like Georgia, decide not to certify their election results.
I do have another concern, question, fear. I know if the states refuse to certify the election results for their specific state. At some point the ejection is decided by the Supreme Court . I’m not sure at what step SCOTUS becomes involved in thus fiasco Trump is trying to cause.
from what I understand, the actual number of representatives isn't how the votes of the House would be counted, or something. I'm not sure I understand it.
But from what I can gather, it has to do with the number of districts each party holds. Somehow, because Democratic districts tend to be large, urban districts, while republican ones are often smaller (in population, not size) there are more of them. So, even with a majority under normal circumstances, under a vote for which party wins the presidency, it could still go to republicans, even if the democrats have a majority
I’ll get some time to research this. You have brought interesting facts out that we all need to understand.
I will get back with you in it after I research.
cool, I'll be interested in what you find
I'm SO HAPPY you proposed this, frater!!...I will pass it on everywhere I can. Let's MOVE AHEAD ON MAKING THIS KNOWN OPTION A POSSIBILITY!
cool, thank you!
It’s worth a try. The Trump Supreme Court would realize what they’ve done.
A VERY interesting idea! He could delay the deadline for certification in the states.
Here's a good explanation.
"What Happens When Election Officials Refuse to Certify Results? - Democracy Docket" https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-happens-when-election-officials-refuse-to-certify-results/
Hi. Contrary to the corporate media's fear mongering, we're not a banana republic. Even if Jan 6 had been successful, it would have been the shortest coup in human history. Yes, our president is commander of the military, but that's second to the military's oath to defend and protect the Constitution.
Since Trump is no longer president, he's no longer "the commander". The military is no longer his to use.
The Supreme Court has limits as to what it can do. And the House has limits, too. Then there's that's pesky thing called the Senate.
It's 5:30 in the morning, and I haven't had coffee yet. Plus explaining the complexities of the Constitution would take me until noon. I'm not a Constitutional scholar, either, but I can assure you you're fears - while logical - are without merit. Our beloved and highly intelligent founders made sure we have three separate and equally powerful parts of our government.
It's why it's important to vote. 🙂💙
I'm not sure all of that applies. If Georgia (for one example) does not certify their slate of electors by the deadline of January 6th (as they tried to do in 2020 with the "insurrection") then it would be impossible to certify the slates on time. (That's why Trump wanted Pence to refuse to certify, not so he would receive more votes, but just to delay the certification past the deadline)
If the slates are not certified by the deadline, then by law (and the Constitution) the election is thrown to the House of Reps. Since the House will likely still be in Republican hands, they would surely say Trump won, regardless of the votes. And that would be entirely legal. It's actually what the Constitution specifies. All it takes is one state to not certify their electors in time.
This explains it much better than I ever could. 🙂
"What Happens When Election Officials Refuse to Certify Results? - Democracy Docket" https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-happens-when-election-officials-refuse-to-certify-results/
this is great, except it still isn't addressing the problem of electors not getting certified by the deadline.
If that happens, it gets sent to the House of Reps. Period. There's no other "legal" recourse.
If local or state reps refuse to certify and courts have to step in, that delays the certification. Delay it enough and the electors can't be certified by January 6th, and it goes to the House.
Your words have given me comfort… time will tell but surely the solution is to have such an overwhelming majority of blue votes that the win cannot be denied by anyone
This should give you more comfort. 🙂
"What Happens When Election Officials Refuse to Certify Results? - Democracy Docket" https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-happens-when-election-officials-refuse-to-certify-results/
Thanks, appreciate the information!
I think Biden should arrest any Supreme Court Justices hanging around for this and any Congress People who try this along with any fake electors. Round them up. Use the Military to stop this Coup. They swore to defend the Constitution from enemies both external and internal.
agreed... I was worried all along that our only alternative would be to go on General Strike... but hopefully Biden will do his duty